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		<title>By: Learn kanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>Learn kanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what your position on Heisig is, but I totally agree with your post! Yeah, you might know about the characters; you might be used to them and know what each one of them means in your native tounge... but if you want to TRULY know kanji, to be able to read them and use them yourself, you have to learn them in context. 
 
I think a great way of doing so is the method described by khatzumoto from ajatt: Pick japanese sentences and place them in your SRS. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure what your position on Heisig is, but I totally agree with your post! Yeah, you might know about the characters; you might be used to them and know what each one of them means in your native tounge&#8230; but if you want to TRULY know kanji, to be able to read them and use them yourself, you have to learn them in context. </p>
<p>I think a great way of doing so is the method described by khatzumoto from ajatt: Pick japanese sentences and place them in your SRS.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be a Heisig skeptic, too - But then I figured out that I was approaching it all wrong. 
 
You absolutely should not memorize the pronunciation of kanji outside of context.  Thankfully, that&#039;s not what RTK sets out to do.  Instead, it puts you at the same table with all of those Chinese students who come to Japan with their &quot;kanji cheat sheet of knowledge&quot;. 
 
The point is to recognize the characters.  The pronunciation and contextual usage comes later. 
 
I&#039;ll highlight this with an example.  I might see the kanji 砕.  Having completed Heisig, I know what it means instantly.  I don&#039;t know how to read it, though.  That&#039;s where seeing it in context comes into play.  As I&#039;m reading through my One Piece manga, I see that the pronunciation as it appears in verb form is くだける　(砕ける), and then I internalize that and associate it with the content in which it appears.  The process comes in chunks, which is much easier than learning it as a single block (the strokes, the meaning, and the pronunciation all at once, which overloads your brain). 
 
You can read a little bit more about the internalization process on my blog here: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://victorymanual.com/more-on-heisig-how-the-hanzikanji-are-internalized/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://victorymanual.com/more-on-heisig-how-the-h...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
and here: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://victorymanual.com/the-benefits-of-the-heisig-method/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://victorymanual.com/the-benefits-of-the-heis...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be a Heisig skeptic, too &#8211; But then I figured out that I was approaching it all wrong. </p>
<p>You absolutely should not memorize the pronunciation of kanji outside of context.  Thankfully, that&#039;s not what RTK sets out to do.  Instead, it puts you at the same table with all of those Chinese students who come to Japan with their &quot;kanji cheat sheet of knowledge&quot;. </p>
<p>The point is to recognize the characters.  The pronunciation and contextual usage comes later. </p>
<p>I&#039;ll highlight this with an example.  I might see the kanji 砕.  Having completed Heisig, I know what it means instantly.  I don&#039;t know how to read it, though.  That&#039;s where seeing it in context comes into play.  As I&#039;m reading through my One Piece manga, I see that the pronunciation as it appears in verb form is くだける　(砕ける), and then I internalize that and associate it with the content in which it appears.  The process comes in chunks, which is much easier than learning it as a single block (the strokes, the meaning, and the pronunciation all at once, which overloads your brain). </p>
<p>You can read a little bit more about the internalization process on my blog here:<br />
<a href="http://victorymanual.com/more-on-heisig-how-the-hanzikanji-are-internalized/" target="_blank">http://victorymanual.com/more-on-heisig-how-the-h&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>and here:<br />
<a href="http://victorymanual.com/the-benefits-of-the-heisig-method/" target="_blank">http://victorymanual.com/the-benefits-of-the-heis&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Khalid</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never found a tool to help me learn kanji in context, so &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feedmejapanese.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;I built one&lt;/a&gt;. I use this tool to become familiar with each kanji overtime as I encounter them, instead of drilling them into my head right now. 
 
It&#039;s interesting to compare the Kanji I learn through memorization techniques and those I learned here.  When I see one I&#039;ve memorized, I think of an English meaning and a set of readings.  For the ones I learned over time, I think of the Japanese words I&#039;ve read them in and have an ever-expanding feel for their meaning as I encounter more words. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never found a tool to help me learn kanji in context, so <a href="http://www.feedmejapanese.com/" target="_blank">I built one</a>. I use this tool to become familiar with each kanji overtime as I encounter them, instead of drilling them into my head right now. </p>
<p>It&#039;s interesting to compare the Kanji I learn through memorization techniques and those I learned here.  When I see one I&#039;ve memorized, I think of an English meaning and a set of readings.  For the ones I learned over time, I think of the Japanese words I&#039;ve read them in and have an ever-expanding feel for their meaning as I encounter more words.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a lot of nice thoughts, but you fail to list one simple resource you have used to study kanji in context. This is the information we need, otherwise it is all relative. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a lot of nice thoughts, but you fail to list one simple resource you have used to study kanji in context. This is the information we need, otherwise it is all relative.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalid</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese certainly raises some unique challenges.  But first off, Doviende, congrats on finding what works for you :)

I had a conversation with a friend a few days ago and one question was whether it is possible to set a learner&#039;s expectations appropriately for a given article or book.

For example, some things I read are filled with Kanji I don&#039;t know. When I try to understand everything that&#039;s going on, I get frustrated.  But when I lower my expectations to just figuring out where this scene is, or who is talking to whom, or what the basic topic is, I&#039;m still able to enjoy it.

It&#039;s kind of like turning an adult&#039;s story into a children&#039;s story.  Instead of a rich complex narrative, it&#039;s reduced to a simple description of what&#039;s happening.  And looking up the occasional word or fully analyzing the occasional sentence just adds to the story.

It means letting go of understanding every word right now and enjoying what you can of the story...Just something I&#039;ve been pondering.

At the end of the day, any interaction with your target language that doesn&#039;t bring feelings of fatigue and burnout is time well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese certainly raises some unique challenges.  But first off, Doviende, congrats on finding what works for you <img src='http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I had a conversation with a friend a few days ago and one question was whether it is possible to set a learner&#8217;s expectations appropriately for a given article or book.</p>
<p>For example, some things I read are filled with Kanji I don&#8217;t know. When I try to understand everything that&#8217;s going on, I get frustrated.  But when I lower my expectations to just figuring out where this scene is, or who is talking to whom, or what the basic topic is, I&#8217;m still able to enjoy it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like turning an adult&#8217;s story into a children&#8217;s story.  Instead of a rich complex narrative, it&#8217;s reduced to a simple description of what&#8217;s happening.  And looking up the occasional word or fully analyzing the occasional sentence just adds to the story.</p>
<p>It means letting go of understanding every word right now and enjoying what you can of the story&#8230;Just something I&#8217;ve been pondering.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, any interaction with your target language that doesn&#8217;t bring feelings of fatigue and burnout is time well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: doviende</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>doviende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you make some very good points in this post....but there are some very good benefits to becoming familiar with some individual characters too.

I&#039;m learning chinese right now, not japanese, but what i find really frustrating when reading is probably the same for japanese...when i&#039;m reading a book and i come to a bunch of characters i don&#039;t know, it takes forever to look them all up.  This consumes tons of my available reading time when i just want to sit and read a really interesting book.  So, in this case, i find it tremendously helpful when i at least know the pronunciation and a generalized meaning or possible meaning for that character.  Then i can either a) guess the word in context without looking it up, or b) look it up really quickly because i know the pronunciation.

This is basically the only reason i persist with single-character flashcards in Anki.  The extra mental effort of learning chars out of context is less (at least in my perception) than always hitting constant roadblocks while reading.  When i know all of the hanzi in a book i&#039;m reading, it becomes much more like when i read spanish...a lot of new words that are easily guessable because i know the roots already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you make some very good points in this post&#8230;.but there are some very good benefits to becoming familiar with some individual characters too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m learning chinese right now, not japanese, but what i find really frustrating when reading is probably the same for japanese&#8230;when i&#8217;m reading a book and i come to a bunch of characters i don&#8217;t know, it takes forever to look them all up.  This consumes tons of my available reading time when i just want to sit and read a really interesting book.  So, in this case, i find it tremendously helpful when i at least know the pronunciation and a generalized meaning or possible meaning for that character.  Then i can either a) guess the word in context without looking it up, or b) look it up really quickly because i know the pronunciation.</p>
<p>This is basically the only reason i persist with single-character flashcards in Anki.  The extra mental effort of learning chars out of context is less (at least in my perception) than always hitting constant roadblocks while reading.  When i know all of the hanzi in a book i&#8217;m reading, it becomes much more like when i read spanish&#8230;a lot of new words that are easily guessable because i know the roots already.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can use all of the kanji I know.&quot;

I think that&#039;s an excellent way to look at it.  Because without the use, the reading and writing for some *purpose*, what&#039;s the point?

It&#039;s so common to try to equate learning a language with claiming X words or characters.  But which is more valuable, the count or the understanding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can use all of the kanji I know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s an excellent way to look at it.  Because without the use, the reading and writing for some *purpose*, what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so common to try to equate learning a language with claiming X words or characters.  But which is more valuable, the count or the understanding?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little late in on this, but I recognize the theme of this post; in fact, I&#039;m almost good friends with it.

I wasted about half a year after- somewhat spontaneously- deciding to learn a second language (Japanese looked fun).  I learned virtually nothing at all of any use in those first months, and have since forgotten all of that information- and I&#039;m pleased I did.  Learning kanji by wrote was one of my mistakes.

I was lucky enough, before I wasted too much time, to stumble upon Tae Kim&#039;s Guide to Japanese and his associated blog- at that time hosted at 3yen; I owe that man a debt of gratitude.

I haven&#039;t so much as tried learning a list since, and don&#039;t remember one single kanji I learned in this way, and I&#039;m glad of that.

You might say that &quot;I only know the kanji I can use&quot;, but I prefer the more positive outlook on that;

&quot;I can use all of the kanji I know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late in on this, but I recognize the theme of this post; in fact, I&#8217;m almost good friends with it.</p>
<p>I wasted about half a year after- somewhat spontaneously- deciding to learn a second language (Japanese looked fun).  I learned virtually nothing at all of any use in those first months, and have since forgotten all of that information- and I&#8217;m pleased I did.  Learning kanji by wrote was one of my mistakes.</p>
<p>I was lucky enough, before I wasted too much time, to stumble upon Tae Kim&#8217;s Guide to Japanese and his associated blog- at that time hosted at 3yen; I owe that man a debt of gratitude.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t so much as tried learning a list since, and don&#8217;t remember one single kanji I learned in this way, and I&#8217;m glad of that.</p>
<p>You might say that &#8220;I only know the kanji I can use&#8221;, but I prefer the more positive outlook on that;</p>
<p>&#8220;I can use all of the kanji I know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Khalid</title>
		<link>http://blog.feedmejapanese.com/2008/01/31/learning-kanji-from-context/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Masha,
  Sorry for the late response. I agree completely. I find myself asking again and again why most of the resources out there on Japanese put so much focus on how to learn each Kanji, when so many can come for free through reading.

I actually got it in my head that I needed to know 2000 kanji to read a Japanese newspaper.  I think the reality is that without reading a newspaper, learning 2000 kanji is harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Masha,<br />
  Sorry for the late response. I agree completely. I find myself asking again and again why most of the resources out there on Japanese put so much focus on how to learn each Kanji, when so many can come for free through reading.</p>
<p>I actually got it in my head that I needed to know 2000 kanji to read a Japanese newspaper.  I think the reality is that without reading a newspaper, learning 2000 kanji is harder.</p>
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		<title>By: masha</title>
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		<dc:creator>masha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I have been learning Japanese by myself for a few years now, and have also fell victim to the idea that learning/memorizing kanji from my kanji reference dictionary would somehow make me fluent. WRONG! The kanji that DOES stick in my head is the once I learn from words that I come across from reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I have been learning Japanese by myself for a few years now, and have also fell victim to the idea that learning/memorizing kanji from my kanji reference dictionary would somehow make me fluent. WRONG! The kanji that DOES stick in my head is the once I learn from words that I come across from reading.</p>
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